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title: "Podcast: How to \"Lead with And\" with author Tim Arnold"
description: "Author, leadership expert, and teambuilding maven Tim Arnold explains how nonprofit leaders can manage \"leadership tensions\""
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# [Podcast: How to "Lead with And" with author Tim Arnold](https://resources.pursuant.com/podcast-tim-arnold)

 Written by [Pursuant](https://resources.pursuant.com/author/pursuant) | Feb 8, 2022 3:00:00 PM

If you’ve ever found yourself in a place of authority at your organization, at one point or another you’ve probably experienced what our guest Tim Arnold describes as a “leadership tension.” It’s that either/or thinking that causes stress, anxiety, and division within your organization. But it doesn’t have to be that way. In this conversation between Tim and our CEO Trent Ricker, we’ll explore how nonprofit leaders can cultivate a both/and mindset that allows them to lead their people forward confidently—despite an uncertain future.

[Go Beyond Fundraising: The Podcast for Nonprofits](https://soundcloud.com/gobeyondfundraising) · [How to "Lead with And" as a Nonprofit Leader - Tim Arnold](https://soundcloud.com/gobeyondfundraising/how-to-lead-with-and-as-a-nonprofit-leader-tim-arnold/s-6b81KbdkE7G)

 

Tim's book "Lead with And" is [available for purchase](http://leadersforleaders.ca/book) on February 15, 2022.

### You’ll Come Away Learning:

- Six “leadership tensions” that organizational leaders have to become comfortable navigating in order to be effective in an increasingly polarized world
- How to overcome common barriers to both/and thinking at your organization
- Ways to expand your thinking as a leader, breaking out of "business-as-usual" 

Listen to it in the car, on the train to work, while you’re doing the laundry or while taking a walk. We hope you enjoy it! Be sure to subscribe to Go Beyond Fundraising your favorite podcast players like [iTunes](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/go-beyond-the-pursuant-listening-experience/id1407945730?mt=2), Google Play, or [Stitcher](https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/taylor-shanklin/go-beyond-the-pursuant-listening-experience).

Connect with Tim:

LinkedIn - [linkedin.com/in/tim-arnold1](http://linkedin.com/in/tim-arnold1) 

 

Instagram - [https://www.instagram.com/_tim_arnold/](https://www.instagram.com/_tim_arnold/) 

 

Twitter - [https://twitter.com/timarnold1](https://twitter.com/timarnold1) 

 

 

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